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BIM: Reworked menus and toolbars #14087
BIM: Reworked menus and toolbars #14087
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@furgo16 @marcuspollio @paullee0 @Roy-043 please have a look and comment! |
Excellent ! A proposition: maybe for standard 3D BIM Element tools, what do you think of slightly reordering in the construction "sequence" ? I'm all for discarding StructuralSystem if there's a way to automatically convert previous files to use Axis. For Panel tools (Cut, Sheet and Nest), I don't know how often they are used ? Maybe keeping them as macros in the Addon repo ? Utils, that's a big one indeed that needs a proper discussion XD Thank you ! |
Also @FreeCAD/design-working-group |
Couldn't you make all the sketch colors white and red instead of white and yellow? The polyline already is. |
@MisterMakerNL but these are the Draft WB icons, not to be confused with the Sketcher WB. Some icons still get revised. This PR seems only to restructure them, I don't want to give my opinion on this as I have no experience working with BIM. |
ShapeString should not be in the Annotation menu. The order of the Draft tools is different from the Draft WB. We should present the same tools in the same order in both workbenches. I would put Objects library last in the sub menu. |
That's indeed matter for a larger discussion :) What I did at the moment is basically separate the "building containers" tools (building, level, space...) from the others. If you look at other BIM apps, they don't do really better :) But I'd be totally OK to discuss and define a "proper way" to put these icons.
They already do. The command is just an easy tool that sets the Axis property.
They are not Sketch tools but Draft tools. For the first one (the sketch tool) we could indeed use another icon, but this one seemed to make sense and easy to understand... Also because it's not EXACTLY the same "create sketch" tool as in the Sketcher/PD. It does not ask for the sketch plane because it takes automatically the current Draft working plane
These 3 make much sense. I'll adapt this PR |
Exactly, the order of the "building containers" first is totally logical, they should be kept as they are now. I was referring more to the following tools for creating elements. About other BIM apps, let's do better then XD ArchiCAD : Revit : BlenderBIM : If any of you use other softwares, please do post below for reference =D The gist of it is : most other BIM apps do not follow a construction logic but more a "element you must have before you put/link the following one" (e.g. you need a wall before a window or a door, or you need a roof before a skylight). So let's set a "sensible" default order that also helps to follow IFC relations: you need the structural elements (IfcWall, IfcSlab, etc.) before openings or IfcCovering elements. Wall, Column, Beam, Truss, Slab, Stairs, Roof, Window, Curtain Wall, Door, Pipe, Connector, Frame, Panel/Covering, Fence/Railing, Equipment, Reinforcement and generic. |
I like that. Seems both logical and similar to the other ones.
I would put curtain wall before the window or after the door, to keep door and window "together". Also I'd put pipe and connector to the end, just before the equipment because it's "almost" in the area of equipments. Also because the equipment tool should at some point be used to create faucets and other things that go with pipes. So my proposal: Wall, Column, Beam, Truss, Slab, Stairs, Roof, Curtain Wall, Window, Door, Frame, Panel/Covering, Fence/Railing, Pipe, Connector, Equipment, Reinforcement and generic. BTW I liked having a "covering" tool and a "railing" tool... The panel and the fence/frame tools are not exactly that, though. Maybe they should have a default setting to make a railing? I feel those two tools need more reworking and design BTW2 it's interesting to see what commercial BIM tools include in their default toolbar |
Regarding BIM workflows, I'm quite inexperienced, but looking at the screenshots from marcus, it seems they do utilize command groups. I would assume those are constructed in accordance with the pareto principal. Whenver I do load and of the BIM/ARCH workbenches I'm quite shocked at the sheer number of functions exposed at the surface level. These may certainly be necessary, but I would suggest attempting to keep the default toolbars to consume no more than 2 full rows with a 24px setting @ a 1080p resolution. One way to do this would be to leverage command-groups of similar/related functions as practicable, exposing the most commonly used function at the top of the group on the toolbar. Another possible approach would be to combine a function onto a single button on the toolbar, but use settings in the task panel to switch modes. Unfortunately, I don't know enough about ARCH/BIM to make more detailed suggestions. However I speculate that there is some oopportunity for optimizations like this. |
Yeah, it's a bit overwhelming sometimes =D
Note that this Arch/BIM/NativeIFC is still very work-in-progress. I guess @yorikvanhavre is not finished porting the previous Arch WB state, that means:
Then, more Toolbars, menus and Task panels improvements can be done to ease the workflow and the experience. |
TBH I don't like the group tools. That's the whole point of this. To access a grouped tool takes much longer than a "normal" tool. Now if people absolutely like it, I see no problem in having two interface modes, one "condensed" one for people who feel lost with too many buttons, and a more extended one for who likes it... Note that in the current proposal, most toolbars are split, so it's possible to turn off many parts (maybe they should be off by default? In AutoCAD I remember 80% of the toolbars were off by default). This allows for something as simple as this: |
I propose to merge this one already, then we can make additional PR to attack remaining specific issues, anyone against it? |
Sounds good to me |
Ok done then :) |
Following up on #13783, this is a rework of the toolbars and menus in the BIM workbench.
Basically:
Menus structure from arch:
Menus from BIM (panel tools and structure tools are missing from that image, they are both in the Utils menu for now):
Further things that should be discussed: